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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 30, 2007 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

yes, i realize that it was used for that purpose, however if that was the intended use then wouldn't have made sense to do it earlier in the show?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 30, 2007 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

Hey you two--as one that went to many 78-82 shows, my take on this (sorry!) is that it was a complete "rip off"...

Now, that sounds really negative, BUT any 68-71 show, Jerry and others never leave the stage...they do feedback, etc.

In my view, this was a "break" and not artistic in any real sense...

Whoops--others may think so, but I never cared for it...the bottom line is that most band members left the stage during this portion, at least when I saw it. It doesn't really need explanation--it was just another break.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 30, 2007 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

I agree - I always felt it was kind of joke, even though there were many drums/space segments I really enjoyed. I used to justify it to myself as saying that they played Dark Star everynight - that was drums/space, but I knew then that wasn't true.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 30, 2007 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

Oh yeah--don't get me wrong. I was okay with them doing it, BUT felt that is what is was...we took a "break" then too.

That is part of why I always felt I missed something though--think of the sheer energy they mustered to play shows like 5-15-70; with Jerry sitting in with NRPS for crying out loud! Can't fault them for needing more breaks as they grew older...

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Oct 30, 2007 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

yeah, but the boys played longer sets consistently over their career than anyone in history. they earned the break, believe me. sure, they could've done 45 minute sets of the same 9 or 10 tunes like a lot of bands, for the same paycheck. but then they wouldn't be the grateful dead, would they?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 30, 2007 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

Right. Very much the case. Hope I didn't sound as if I was begrudging them the time...

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Poster: L.A. Women Date: Oct 30, 2007 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

nah man jerry comes out loaded, plays the first set, set break ,indulges, then hes set till drums and then he refuels again , usually by this time though the engines overheated and hes running on fumes.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 30, 2007 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

true that.

To be honest, it does seem really weird that once introduced, they never really varied with its placement or just played a second set straight through without a break (I'll let one of the experts show me where I've erred on stating the same) Hell, how cool would it have been for them to do a first set drums-space? I would have been up for a Birdsong>drums>space>Deal to close out a first set, or Sailor>drums>space>Saint. (which I got once in a second set).

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 30, 2007 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

you must have been at Richmond 85 because I believe that is the only split Sailor/saint on record. And if you were there you obviously saw a hell of a show

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 30, 2007 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Drums>Space

yep - and just listend to one of the two fox shows from a few nights before that i was also at. that was a good little run (even if it was in those dark years of the mid-80s...) I don't know what it was about Va, but never saw a real clunker of a show in Richmond, Hampton, Norfolk, etc.. and most were damn good.